if you are just tuning in, please read monday’s post (ie, the disclaimer) about this series of posts and also tuesday’s message: young and dumb in order to catch up to today’s post. and, p.s. i keep remembering other things and adding them so keep coming back.
and in order to stick to my schedule of today being the meat of what happened and tomorrow being the ‘what happened when i left’ and tying it all into a pretty little package on friday, this one is not short. at all. so go use the bathroom and pour a fresh cup of coffee.
go on, i’ll wait.
you back? you comfy?
i’m so glad. thank you for joining me again today. i’m so happy to see you!
it was not easy at all to write today’s post. as in, i almost didn’t. and after i wrote a good bit of it i wanted to throw up. why drag up what i’ve already dealt with? i’ve been under spiritual attack all week, which i know is a result of putting all of this out there. my prayer is that it will bless and change someone for the better. what would really be amazing for me is that someone would recognize themselves in my story.
okay. so, here we go…
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after making the decision to stay and not go to montana with ywam, i drank the proverbial kool-aid of my church family. it was charismatic by design and operated in the gifts of the holy spirit. that is to say, we spoke in tongues and handled snakes. just kidding. (just wanted to be sure you were paying attention.) but we were tongue-talkers and had an office of The Prophet in the at-large church family, prayed with discernment and so on. our own senior pastor was considered an apostle. in some regards, maybe in our own heads, we were a ‘mega-church’, which at that time just meant that we had two services which both maxed out the seating we had in our little storefront church. now, the idea of a ‘mega-church’ makes me tired.
by the end of the summer of 2000, i had been a faithful member for about two years. i quit my job at the ymca and not soon after that the worship pastor asked if i would come help him from 8-10 five days a week for $200 a month. (2 hours a day x 5 days a week = $200.00 a month / 40 hours = $5.00 an hour. awesome.) honestly, i would have rather just been called a volunteer and not get paid anything, especially because there were definitely weeks i worked more than 2 hours a day. a friend wanted me to go on a road trip across the country with her and i almost didn’t because i was TERRIFIED of ‘asking for time off’. of my pseudo-job. i did this for about six months before the administrative pastor also asked me to help him from 10-2. to be fair, i don’t remember the rate at which i was hired for this job although i’m pretty confident it wasn’t much more than minimum wage. a few months after i started doing administrative work, the senior pastor also asked me to help him. i was now the full-time assistant to three of five full-time pastors being paid right around minimum wage. of course, the other two knew that the senior pastor trumped them if he needed me, so i primarily served him.
eventually, i stopped working for the worship pastor and worked solely as the executive assistant. to tell you the truth, i was relieved when that happened because, for some reason, i had had the same anxiety working for him that i had in my home growing up around my alcoholic dad. i just didn’t feel safe.
when we did finally move in to our megalo-shrine-to-ourselves, my ‘office’ was a desk against a wall in an open area while all other administrators and all the pastors had offices with doors. i was the only one without an actual office.
mind you, i was the executive assistant at this point.
and i’m not even saying i care, especially at this point in my life. i love to serve. put me at a desk in the hall if that’s all you can afford – honestly, i really do not care.
only. it’s not all we could afford.
actually, that’s not entirely true. we couldn’t afford it. because we didn’t have anymore money. because we had spent it all on the new building. to make room for people that i’m not sure have even filled it up yet, and that was almost ten years ago.
for me, it was just a clear example of the value they placed on me and my position there, even though to hear them speak, you might think i had lassoed the moon because they were so full of ‘encouragement’.
{my own situation aside, i will never understand or agree with a church that campaigns to build an $8,ooo,ooo+ building but cannot properly compensate their employees. it is not right and it is not fair. if a church -or any organization- cannot make room in the budget to hire someone at a decent and regular wage and offer an officespace with a door, especially given all the additional time that goes into one’s job, then they need to be able to do the administrative work themselves. besides that, if you have raised $8,000,000 for anything…why wouldn’t you use it toward something like missions? even in your own city? just saying.}
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one time, the administrative pastor shamed me for being wanderlust.
{since then, it has been spoken over me that god has given me a gypsy spirit and i know this brings delight to his heart.}
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shortly after i started working for him and before we moved into the new building, the senior pastor and i were talking in his office when he said to me, ‘you know, mary kathryn, we can’t get married if you’re playing the field. you are like a tree planted by a stream and it’s like you want to be uprooted and replanted elsewhere. but if you’ll just stay here and let your roots grow wide and deep, you’ll be able to grow here in this family. you can’t be a part of your family’s ministry and also serve this one.’
because that’s how it is in the kingdom of god. you just serve one church and only fellowship with the people at that one church. and other ministries and churches are okay, i guess, but really it’s all about your own in the end. oh, and, just make sure you love the people we love. you can be nice to other believers, because -hey- that’s what we’re supposed to do. just come home to us at the end of the day. oh, and be sure to check in when you do so we know you’re here. and ‘listen, there are great churches down the road and if you don’t have our dna then we’ll bless you as you go.’ (that last part really was said in a sunday service.)
i mean, right?
right?
anyone?
no one?
oh. right.
because that’s not how it is.
not to mention, on this side of it, i am ashamed & embarassed to admit that i wasn’t even offended by this at the time. my family, whose ‘roots’ in ministry go at least as far back as my great-great grandparents. my family, whose ministry had been ‘planted’ in my hometown for thirty years after my granddad had already served the methodist church for at least 25 years prior. the methodist church, whose ‘roots’ go back as far as the 18th century. for me to remain planted by the stream, which jeremiah talks about, and grow strong and wide roots…would have been to stay planted within my own family.
and yet i stayed.
i wanted so desperately to please him that i agreed. i was a sponge for his approval. and i never told my family at the time that my loyalties had shifted in the blink of an eye and i was primarily committed anymore to this place of worship and the people within.
it’s a good thing my family is made of stubborn old oaks.
they are like trees planted along a riverbank, with roots that reach deep into the water. such trees are not bothered by the heat or worried by long months of drought. their leaves stay green, and they never stop producing fruit.
{jeremiah 17:8 (nlt)}
but, the thing is, my family wouldn’t have even minded if i had been involved somewhere, as long as it was a place that brought glory to god and i was free in jesus. they wouldn’t have minded because they wouldn’t have asked me to choose between ‘us’ and ‘them’ because that is not how god works.
and when my granddad died in 2002 and we had just been through a snowstorm, i met my family in his hometown two hours away later that day so i could print bulletins. i’m sorry…? because that was really what i wanted to do. regardless of wanting to do it, it was what a servant like me should do. even though the power went out in our mega-church and i had to spend the afternoon figuring out how to update and change and then print them on a different computer from a desktop printer in our old building down the road.
by the way, spiritual abuse often comes in the form of manipulating someone with scripture. it sounds right because, hey, it’s the word of god. but why does something not feel right about this? he’s my ‘spiritual authority’, though, so there is obviously something wrong with me. oh well. best i keep serving so i can get more holy.
and it also comes in the form of being told things ‘in the name of jesus’ a lot. things that are probably okay, pretty harmless…but probably things that jesus wouldn’t wield over another person in his own name. especially in prayer. but, hey, we’ve been given that authority to ask and speak in his name. just speak his name. wave the magic wand that is jesus and we can have or be anything we want, right? no? oh. okay.
okay if i keep going? take a break and come back if you need to.
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another time i was in the pastor’s office, he said to me, ‘my wife fell off the bus.’ i asked if she was okay. (i mean, what else do you say when someone tells you his wife fell off the bus?) is she hurt? did she have to go to the hospital? wait, why was she even on a bus? he meant she had gone a little bit crazy and wanted a divorce. hardly anyone knew, and no one knew who else knew, until we all showed up to his house one day to help him move out.
and i would love to have the chance to ask her to tell me in her own words, now that i’m on this side of things, what really happened? because i know you did not fall of a bus. and i want you to know that i’m.just.so.sorry. and i’m sorry that you got thrown under the bus because you did not deserve that and i hope they reached out to you but i don’t remember that anyone did and, in fact, i think we were instructed not to. and remember that time i had to meet you at the cell phone store? i didn’t know what to say. and you looked so sad and so bitter and so beautiful. even at the time, i just wanted to hug you but couldn’t. i was powerless at the time. and i’m sorry i didn’t know and i subscribed and drank the juice and i believed. even so, i knew in my heart it wasn’t true. i’m glad you got out. i’m sorry for the price you paid. i understand. and i’m sorry.
at this time, my job expanded to becoming his wife.
let me assure you that absolutely nothing inappropriate happened. it wasn’t like that. there was nothing ‘romantic’ about it at all.
i just had a key to his new house and made all of his travel arrangements and picked up his kids from school and did some of his grocery shopping and picked up his dry-cleaning and traveled with he and his four boys to california and new york as their ‘nanny’. you know, the usual stuff a totally emotionally unhealthy and spiritually immature girl trapped in the body of a 23 year old gets to do for her newly single, handsome and winsome pastor who says she’s like a daughter to him. because that’s not weird at all. or confusing to anyone. least of all, said girl. hey, but, thanks for trusting me.
um. except for the part that…
the entire situation was weird!
and confusing!
and most definitely inappropriate!
and while the above is where i was at the time, if he really had been ‘like a father’ to me, then wouldn’t he have looked out for my best interest? as the main leader of our church, shouldn’t you -or any of the other leaders- not have put me in such an awkward position? it just wasn’t right. on any level. as my leader, you were responsible for me.
but i am responsible for me now.
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we had a school, too. you know, an unaccredited-but-will-get-you-into-ministry-within-this-nondenominational…denomination-family-of-churches, all out school. an ‘institute’, we called it. there was the big ‘institute’ that was on the west coast that all of our campus ministers went to before they began to raise their own support and then there was a smaller version they created for the local church. in any case, you got a ‘degree’ that is only valuable -really- within this business/’family of churches’.
i hope i’m being fair when i say this…in considering all the ministers i worked with at that local church…i can think of one who was working on his degree at duke at the time, who i hope is being true to himself now and he knows what i mean…and i can think of another who was on staff but not as a pastor and he has a seminary degree from a real seminary and is really only loosely tied to this church anymore, although at one point he was the right and i was the left-hand man to the senior pastor…other than that, all of these pastors just sort of called themselves pastors but i’m really not sure where or how or if they were educated.
{to that end, i don’t think i made my point very clear yesterday that all of these ‘pastors’ only held each other accountable to one another. they did not belong to a larger, well-established body of churches, which is why i am wary -particularly in a charismatic church, because it is so much more common there- of any church that is just sort of a loose cannon for the kingdom. there is a church in the town i live now whose leadership is members of one entire family and they don’t belong to anyone else. i do not stand against any church that stands for jesus. and i’m not suggesting a church must by quantified by a traditional denomination. i’m not saying that at all. just have some credibility. be accountable to something larger than yourself or your gentlemen’s club. (years after i left, a lot of corruption was exposed within the church at-large and it was revealed that several of the ‘leaders’ simply turned their heads when they knew what was happening.)}
besides my one friend/pastor who was in school at the time, i was friends with another couple who is also no longer there. the husband-half was working on his master’s degree in theology and would pursue and achieve his phd later. he was actually one of the ‘teachers’ of the ‘institute’ who could point out which teachings of this church were not found in scripture.
except i wouldn’t necessarily know this because, if the pastor needed me one evening while class was in session, then i was just excused from class and exempt from the hours and, therefore, didn’t learn but still ‘graduated’ from the ‘institute’.
(isn’t that how they do it at duke?)
i do realize i could have made up the hours but, again, for where i was in life and wanting to man-please and be approved of and be thought of as holier and healthier than i actually might have been…i just didn’t. because it wasn’t necessary or required of me. should i have felt privileged? i did at the time. but i shouldn’t have.
and it upset me when people on the ‘outside’ called us a cult.
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in addition to not having accredited pastors, we also had unaccredited counselors within the church, whom i went to see regularly to deal with my family-stuff. they did everything they could to help me see that it was me and not the church. that something was wrong with my family, so stay at the church. that i didn’t have enough faith, that i wasn’t serving enough. i even brought in my mom and my sisters to a few sessions and they tried to convince them that they needed to start coming to our church. i love this couple and i know that they meant well but karen had to reverse a lot of damage that was done in my sessions with them.
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we held conferences for the whole ‘church family’ a few times a year. my best friend was the primary administrator for these conferences, but we both slaved away to make them happen – i at my desk where i would find other people’s empty coffee cups waiting for me in the morning and she in either the work station (which had a door) or her office (because she had a real one when she worked part-time on conference-stuff).
[p.s. i don't blame her at all for any of this. she knows that.]
one of my jobs for the conferences was to make name tags and label the first few rows of chairs for the president and other…officers?…of the church family/business and their families. they were larger than life and intimidating and unapproachable and unrelateable and unavailable and untouchable to anyone who wasn’t sitting on one of those few rows. i hate to say this, but we really worshiped them. we would clap til our hands hurt when certain leaders got up to preach. one would think that jesus himself had just stepped on to the stage.
only. it wasn’t jesus. in any way.
oh, and all of their first names were ‘pastor’. pastor keith, pastor joe…as in, ‘hey, pastor joe, i just washed your car for you!’ ‘hey, pastor keith, beautiful day outside, isn’t it?’ (by the way, we didn’t have a pastor joe or a pastor keith.)
and everything had to be done with excellence! and if it wasn’t excellent! then we would hear about it through ‘gentle rebukes’. nevermind if something happened outside of our control or if it was just a simple oversight or mistake. there was little margin, if any, for error. because we had to be excellent!
and our sunday services, because now we could seat everyone with one service with our 2800 stadium chairs, would generally start at 10 (10:30?) and end around 12:30-1ish. we would spend about 20-30 minutes worshiping real big and loud and then about 45-60 minutes on announcements and praising one or all of the pastors for something wonderful they did for jesus before there would ever and finally be a message.
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on top of being a full-time employee who worked 8-5 every day and then, of course, would be at every wednesday night service and thursday night practice and saturday morning meetings and sunday from the time the door opened until the last person left…i was also an ‘intern’, leading and training the worship team for the youth group and attending whatever else the interns had to attend, and i remained on the sunday morning worship team for a while, too. plus, i say i ‘discipled’ some girls but i didn’t. not really. not in the way of just letting the real them spend time with the real me and letting them follow me as i messily follow god. and the one girl i really was devoted to, sadly, i haven’t really seen or spoken to in probably ten years. i was also on call 24 hours a day, pretty much. it was not unusual to get a phone call from the senior pastor late at night to tell me something i needed to do the next day.
because god loves a servant heart. and the more we serve, the more he loves. that was the message i received.
and.i.soaked.it.UP.
i had a friend who i heard on multiple occasions call herself my ‘discipler’. for one thing, i already had one that i hand-picked. and when they moved, i found a new one. and, anyway…i thought we were just friends…? i didn’t realize there was an agenda…? i certainly didn’t sign up for one, i don’t think…?
[p.s. again, i don't fault her for this (anymore). she was just doing what she was taught to do. she definitely had her own struggles there.]
remember, i was a people-pleaser with no real sense of who i was in general, much less in christ, being led by people who were either themselves hurt or simply false teachers.
shamefully, i did not lead one. single. person to christ while i was there. not. one. not only that, but i hurt the feelings of old friends who either did or didn’t believe because i had to be at church. so, not only was i saying ‘no’ to my family for important things, i said ‘no’ to my precious friends that god had given me – all for the ‘sake of the call’.
what the hell kind of call is that, anyway?
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and women in the church? oh. right. that.
it was told to me that the church didn’t have a formal stance on women in the church. but it was whispered to me both inaudibly and also behind closed doors that women were subordinate. that the men were the leaders of the church and the women weren’t meant to lead. (jesus does say that, doesn’t he?) they certainly can’t pastor. oh, and if you are a woman fortunate enough to get selected to lead so they can back up that there really is not a formal statement on women within the church…? best not upset the applecart. just nod and stay quiet and you’ll keep your job and the pastors will like you better.
because that’s what the informal and silent statement was: that women didn’t have a voice. and if they found one and tried to use it they were found to be rebellious or crazy.
there was most definitely an oppressive spirit over the women within that church, even though there wasn’t an official statement on the matter.
to me, especially the pastor’s wives, looked haggard and -honestly- unhappy, fake smiles and teacher sweaters and red vans and ‘what homeschool curriculum are you using?’ and all. there was not a single marriage among the pastors that i wanted to model mine after nor a single pastor’s wife that i hoped to one day become.
not.
one.
i watched marriages suffer for the ‘sake of the call’ and have vowed never to enter in to a relationship that looks like that because that is not how christ loves the church.
‘no amount of success in ministry matters if your ministry at home is suffering.’
{beth moore}
to that end, all the single people were afraid to date! i can only think of one person from my old small group who is married now, and he was the leader of it and is now a pastor in a different area. and they’re all older than i am! and all unmarried! and if anyone did date, they sort of became outsiders to the group and we just prayed for them because, clearly, they had to be having sex -or something- because it definitely was not a right thing to do. date, i mean.
in fact, there wasn’t really any sexuality at all. i wore cordurory pants and turtlenecks in the wintertime. god forbid we wear anything that would ‘make a brother stumble’. no wonder the guys there dated outside of our church (if at all).
the men were given false examples of what being ’men of god’ really means and were not taught how to be Men. and the example for the ladies was that we had to be meek and servanthearted. when it comes down to it, we were all pretty much asexual beings.
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oh, and definitely don’t be gay. (and, really, i apologize if this offends your sensibilities – take it to the lord.) i had two friends there (only two that i know of) who, one struggled with his sexuality and he went to his ‘spiritual authority’ and they hid it and dealt with it behind closed doors. the other acted out on it, went to his leaders about it, and was basically going to be shipped off so he could be straightened out. they were not loved through any of it. as a result, this one who is so unbelievably talented and once knew he was precious to jesus is not even walking with the lord at all now, which is a grievous tragedy to me.
as a matter-of-fact, it was really difficult taking any of our struggles to our leaders because we were, again, found to be rebellious or – the worst crime of all – we didn’t have enough faith. we need to ‘faith our way through it, champ.’ ugh – and to THAT end…
so, we didn’t call each other by our god-given names there. to some, this might seem cute. to me, it makes me want to scream. the leaders (and by ‘leaders’, i mean The Men) called each other ‘hero’ and ‘champ’ all.the.time.
pleeeaaase. just be reeeaaal! i wanted to scream. show me your hurts and i’ll show you mine and let’s go to god together because that’s what families do!
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and so you ask me why i call myself a recovering charismaniac?
because i don’t want your bright lights or big, dumb stage or your ‘faith, champ, strooong, hero’ or your GINORMOUS BUILDING or your stupid approval or loud music with your pretty smiles and fake tans and fancy cars that i just don’t believe were given to you over and over while i sit facing the wall and can’t pay my bills and your staff is clearly unhappy but you do not see them. and you do not hear them. i don’t want any of it if my friends feel like something is wrong with them because you aren’t loving or listening to them. i don’t want any of it if it’s not pointing me to jesus. which none of it did. it drew me farther away from the real him than i had ever been.
to me, anything else is superficial and artificial and i just don’t have the e n e r g y to do that again.
been there, done that.
put me in a living room with folks who sing out-of-tune who worship the same sweet jesus that i worship and are asking real questions and seeking the lord together and we are crying and laughing and telling each other our deepest secrets because we trust each other to love us through and that is church enough for me.
just.
give.
me.
jesus.
{anne graham lotz}